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Although I think Dobson is a total butthole based on his flimsy logic, emotional outbursts, and general shitty public attitude…I think people throwing stones at him for tracing big ben is dumb. It’s part of a collage, he traced a photo, and it’s not a person/character. Tracing a photo for say a background for part of a piece of work just isn’t comparable to tracing another piece of art, it’s a difference between sampling [collage] (which is allowable in copyright due to “De Minimis” ), remixing [fanart] (derivative works ) and theft [fully traced artwork] (full infringement).
People are just eager to jump all over this because either they don’t like Dobson, or they want to stick their noses in the air and go “well i may be shitty but at least I’m no TRACER” but neither are doing us any favors in addressing the complexities of copyright.
I’m not really trying to defend Dobson so much as explain that “tracing” is a tool, not just a dirty word, the issue isn’t that simple.
Please stop calling your work manga, and yourself mangaka.
Before I explain why I’m asking for this favor, I should tell you a bit about myself. Growing up I had a friend who was into comics, stuff like THE PUNISHER, VENOM, SPAWN, really grim dark stuff. When he took me to my first comic book store I was about 12 years old, and I wanted to read about rad cartoony kids like me having adventures, running away from home and searching for treasures armed with firecrackers, yoyos, and baseball bats. All I could find in the 90’s were super muscled old dudes, guns, grimdark, and then there were archie and sonic comics. Sonic comics were action cartoony so I bought those but they didn’t really hold my interest (loved the cartoon though). Anyway I gave up on comics, I drew them but I was always inspired by videogames which had the heros I liked. I was drawn to Megaman, Goonies, Mario Bros which all either had kid heros or bright poppy colors and cool art in the instruction booklets. I stayed influenced by videogames until middleschool. I remember seeing a cartoon (anime) called Unico when I was a about 4-5? on a rental, it blew my mind so bad I was sort of convinced it was just a dream and it didn’t really exist, every other cartoon was nothing like that. But I remember watching Sailormoon and DBZ on TV about middleschool-highschool and it once again blew my mind that type of animation really did exist. From there I started buying over priced anime VHS from suncoast (mostly ranma 1/2), started reading manga, going to conventions, cosplaying and my art even started emulating my favorite anime/mangas from there. Later on I even got published under Tokyopop and THEY called my work manga ( I didn’t agree, but who was I going to argue with when they were paying me to draw comics? ). So by all accounts I understand the “But no manga is different!” feeling and that’s my biggest issue.
-It shouldn’t be different.
People see are the way the industries are run. The most powerful comic publishers in America flood the market with superheros written for males in their 30s-40s. Japan’s powerful comic publishers…well take Shueisha for example, publish comics for all genders all ages, while story lines move at much faster rates. These industries are important because they are the spots where lively hood from making comics is more possible, and because their distribution is more powerful they effect the general public’s perception of comics. In Japan comics are made for everyone so almost everyone reads comics, in America comics are seen as a culture and less of a medium for everyone. This makes the lures to people like me with thoughts of going to Japan and being a mangaka, but that would not only be MORE difficult and also that wouldn’t help solve any of the problems we have in America. Instead of attempting to separate yourself from other comics artists, we should be working together to change the industry to our standards. With stuff like the internet, webcomics, kickstarter, apps, now more than ever it’s possible to change the world of comics into the world we want it to be. Personally I have no patience for people who superficially look down on others based on their art style, because they are annoyed by diversity which is the centerpiece of making comics a format that is acceptable to the general public. Everything you like from japan is accomplish-able in any other country and viceversa.
-People put too much importance on art style in a storytelling telling medium.
You can tell any story you like in any art style you like. Just to reiterate myself, manga isn’t a style, it’s not any more of a style than the words “movie” “newspaper” “tv show” “comic” Those perimeters are not specific enough to consider them styles, they are formats. Manga (comics from japan) do use symbolic features as part of the language there, but some do not. Some manga are drawn incredibly realistic (vagabond), some are cartoony and have more of those trademark symbols you recognize like big shiny eyes, or sweatdrops or whatever. If you use those symbols you’re only using superficial tools, these tools are useful in certain cases but they are hardly the heart of comics/manga which is STORYTELLING. So really the distinction most people see is superficial, what matters is the STORY.
-You don’t need that label of Manga / Mangaka and no one should be labeling you.
If you’re a comic artist and someone tried to tell you you don’t belong because of your art style? They are shallow and you shouldn’t waste your time with people like that. Don’t try to fit into what people want you to fit into, work to change things so what YOU prefer becomes the norm. Using the internet finding people who share your interests and will follow your work has been easier than ever. Yes you’ll go to publishers to show your portfolio, and even if you are skilled enough you will be snubbed based on your style. That is their short sighted mistake, in truth publishers don’t usually know what’s going to be good, they can only look at sales and say “oh if we put tits on the cover it sells more, so we should do that”. Punish them by being successful without them, make comics on your own, make a webcomic,and then if you’ve pulled followers on your own you’ll have more muscle to deal with publishers on your terms. If you are intent on working with a publisher keep searching until you can find a specific person from a publisher who will believe in you and support your work.
-Lastly although I hate to mention it, calling yourself a mangaka / manga artist unless you are from Japan makes people take you less seriously.
It shouldn’t really impact your decision to whether you do call yourself a mangaka / manga artist, but just know people are going to assume you are trying to be a special snowflake, that you’re not in the trenches with the rest of the comic artists, you’re above all that. But the fact is if you’re in America our comics industry and culture effects you, no matter how you try to separate yourself from the issue if you’re in a country and the people, economy, and culture all effect your success.
So worry less about your label and help change things so what you like doesn’t need to be distinguished from the rest of comics. Perhaps tell Deviant art to stop influencing youth to think otherwise through distinguishing galleries by “manga style” and “everything else”. Have them distinguish styles by Realistic, Cartoons, Isometric which are much better indicators of style. CHECK THE PYRAMID

So this popped up on my dash, from E1n’s inbox, to which he replied
“1. Believe it or not, I am actually not spiteful. The commentary I made was just to poke fun at the whole unpleasant drama on Tumblr where it started with one fanart and it went on into people attacking each other for being a racist. I have no interest in getting involved, nor am I taking a stand on either side. I like my life drama-free, thank you very much. I’ve also never been called out on not coloring anyone dark enough, just FYI. “
I just imagine the ugliest pukeiest looking kid from across the computer writing that as an anonymous. What a total shitbag. Why does this piss me off?
-Anonymous writes a composed message but is sour with accusations, and carefully shifting of words to not out right say “hey you’re WRONG, so why don’t you just BOW to ME” “Hahah you are a pussy about your art”
-EXCEPT Anon is writing to a person who isn’t even accused of what they are talking about, Anonymous just laying into someone who made a remark on the drama surrounding the instance.
-Anon here was so excited, SO GIDDY to exact some brave social justice on my friend here without finding any proof that this was the person
-Because E1n is not the artist in question, Anonymous here has NO IDEA of the color discrepancy, he’s just assuming because everyone is squawking about an artist not making someone the right color, that that person is already wrong. WITHOUT EVEN EVALUATING FOR HIM/HERSELF.
Now besides the fact Anon is misdirecting their social justice to the totally wrong person..
-If it’s not a big deal then why is Anon writing such a butthurt letter anonymously?
-Guess what, you don’t have to draw fanart according to character models. It doesn’t matter how he feels like interpreting that character, it’s just art. I think it’s the stupidest thing when people flip out about someones doodles they did for fun.
-“art corrected”? Art is subjective, and so just having people say “this is wrong” on the internet is not helpful, it’s not correcting them, it’s just an opinion. You want to help someone correct art? Learn to fucking draw better than them, be their friend, and ask them if you can give them an honest opinion for their benefit, otherwise shut yer trap, and get to work on something that’s actually productive.
Worst of all this kid like so many others, is masquerading an attempt to stroke his ego as social justice and “helping” an artist. Everyone should be able to see right through shit like this if they simply ask “Why is this person doing this, what do they have to gain?” And it’s pretty obvious that in this case Anonymous is just trying to feel superior to somebody, ANYBODY. Which is annoying but soooo much more terrible when it’s under the guise of “hey I’m the good guy here” “hey I’m just trying to help you”
Terrible anonymous. I just had to rant this shit out.
Sean Gordon Murphy’s post about Marvel giving him legal trouble over fanart.
And my rebuttal:
Dunno man, I don’t see any other reason to support Marvel and DC when it comes to copyright law other than to make sure you keep work and get food on the table ( don’t blame you ) …But these huge companies have been reaping creators for decades from using courts to steal off other characters from companies ( Captain Marvel ), to weaseling rights away from creators ( Watchmen ), to Disney extending copyright so it can keep Mickey Mouse out of public domain at the cost of making tons of books fade away from being re-published ( [link] ) …I feel like this big publishers abuse the shit out of creators. In the music industry at least you can obtain licenses to cover songs ( essentially fanart ), and yet publishers have made sure to not set up anything like that for creators when they had the chance ( like the ghost rider thing ).
I don’t expect you to fight them or anything, but “I’m siding with Marvel, DC, or any corporation who was the right to protect its interests. Marvel and DC should love that someone is making this statement, and out of his own free will” kind of makes me sick, because “right to protect its interests”? What right? You mean the rights you buy with money? The rights you get in court because you have the money to beat any creator who wants some kind of change? They don’t give two shits about you, they didn’t care when you tried to make things right, and they sure as hell don’t care you’re making some DA post about how they are 100% in the right.
But all in all this is a small set back to progress. If you look at videogames ( [link] ) and digital distribution in music, comics, and games, it shows that there will be a future where we can out power publishers and start calling the shots for once.
Urrggh, this debate of Tim Schafer VS Arkh project is dumb. Of course Tim is gonna raise more money, he has a bigger pool fans to pull from as well as a goal that targets general gamers more than Arkh does. How is anyone fucking surprised? ON THE FLIP SIDE, people attacking Arkh project because of this is fucking stupid too, there should be bigger variation in humans in games because we can do a better job, let’s be honest. It’s a lofty goal I support however I wish they could have made a GAMEPLAY sample before doing kickstarter because a lofty goal and nice concept art isn’t gonna net you as much as proven ability, which Tim is gonna have because he’s been working in games for a long time.
Whether you like or dislike either project for whatever reason, they aren’t compatible. It’s like comparing a 8 yearlong webcomic’s support VS. a webcomic with noble goals which should be implemented but it came out like a week ago.
This will be one of the times where I write about something I care about. As all of you who follow me should know, art is a huge part of my life, so I think about it a lot and it is easy for me to over-think things that people say…especially…
Although I sympathize with OP, I gotta say “anime” and “fine art” are not even styles.
If you ask me the word “style” is misused and underutilized to be of much use to people discussing something as vast and varied as art. Currently the way “style” works, is people will group a bunch of artists based on trivial common ground and then slap a “style” label to it with whatever word that happens nearby. Now when you hear that word, you think of one image in your brain to summarize a bunch of people. Most people think for instance
When it should actually mean
OR
When it actually means
An actual USEFUL way to define “art style” would be by motivation for instance:
( By the way the most people who use the word “Realism” use it like “oh hey I was trying to make this look realistic” and most of the time they aren’t even close. The only reason I see them using it is to flee from being labeled “anime artist”. Therefore acknowledging a error as truth and then using an other error to make sure their feelings don’t get hurt. )
See a pattern here? There’s motivation, reason, to explain why it looks like the it does. Now what’s the motivation that dictates how the art will look behind “anime” “western” “comic” “webcomic” ? These are either nationalities or formats, they aren’t ideas, or motivations themselves, therefore I won’t acknowledge them as “styles”.
I see plenty of artists I can ascribe no “label” to, and really how necessary are these labels??
Anonymous asked you: Okay this might sound a bit weird but whatever. Your art is amazing, and I want to thank you, because the things you post/write about art and styles has helped me become more comfortable with my own art and hate it less. So, thank you, again!
Every time I see that dude telling women about being sluts or that other dude telling girls about their makeup on my tumblr, I feel like doing this. So I did it.
You don’t have to try so damn hard to convince the world that you’re not into “anime” anymore. It only nets you cool points with complete morons.
Maybe they just grew out of cartoons?. I’ve heard few (very rare few) being like “prft cartoons are for children”.. I still like cartoons, even though I’m totally grown up ass XD. Though I may not always find the time to actually watch them though *v*;; ..
Humm…Maybe I was a little vague. If someone likes something, and then doesn’t like it later, well that’s totally fine behavior by my standards. However, if some likes something and then doesn’t like it because it seems to be socially uncool and they don’t want to be associated with the people who do like it, and make this abundantly apparent by CONSTANTLY commenting that they used to like it, but rest assured they have become “cool” or “mature” now and no longer partake of such garbage….Well there you have a shitbag of a person.
You don’t have to try so damn hard to convince the world that you’re not into “anime” anymore. It only nets you cool points with complete morons.
…dang, what?
I saw the above (official, as far as I know) art of Nami from One Piece and it kinda made me freeze up for a second. Initially it was her anatomy, but when I looked a little longer my mind went holy shit what is wrong with her FACE? The proportions are - to me anyway - incredibly disconcerting. I threw the image into photoshop and sketched over it, adjusting her proportions and face to a more, uh… human look while attempting to maintain the overall aesthetic.
It made me wonder why I noticed her anatomy errors before her facial ones, because I really think there’s more wrong with her face than her body. Is it just because the anime stylization is one I’m so accustomed to that my mind just glosses over strangely-arranged faces? Is this why people can draw in an “anime” style for years, depicting characters with enormous eyes that seem to be melting off of their face, without understanding or noticing that it’s unappealing or strange looking?
I guess it really is just a matter of preference in the end, but I think there is a good degree of acclimation to this as well. I got so used to accepting the anime look for faces that recognizing errors and things that just shouldn’t look right took me longer than I’d like.
1. That’s not Oda,
2. There is no “anime style”
3. To imply all Japanese cartoons have the same construction is ignorant.
4. No need to go around correcting people’s art who never asked for your opinion.
5. Not everything has to be realistic proportions.
6. Even if I don’t like a style I welcome the fact there are varieties of styles.
7. I’m pretty tired of art kids obsessed on anatomy. They were taught anatomy was the most important, when it isn’t. It’s Humanity.
8. Oda has loads of humanity, his stories are interesting, touch your heart, and he still manages to draw amazing environments and character designs.
9. The reason it doesn’t look immediately “incorrect” is symbolism, it’s the same reason -> ” :) “ looks like a face to you, that’s how everyone’s brain works even though there’s no way that actually looks like a real face.
God I’m so tired of the word “Realism” and the disrespect to any art that is not deemed “Realism”. It’s a classic case of people hamfisting art into “styles” so they can make themselves feel part of a club or superior for some stupid reason.
What most people call “Realism” is just cartoons with an attempt to mix in some realistic details and realistic details does not mean it’s automatically good.
What realism is-
Realism in the visual arts and literature refers to the general attempt to depict subjects “in accordance with secular, empirical rules”,[1] as they are considered to exist in third person objective reality, without embellishment or interpretation. As such, the approach inherently implies a belief that such reality is ontologically independent of man’s conceptual schemes, linguistic practices and beliefs, and thus can be known (or knowable) to the artist, who can in turn represent this ‘reality’ faithfully. As Ian Watt states, modern realism “begins from the position that truth can be discovered by the individual through the senses” and as such “it has its origins in Descartes and Locke, and received its first full formulation by Thomas Reid in the middle of the eighteenth century.”[2]” -Wikipedia.
The word you are looking for is Realistic, but even that wouldn’t be correct because none of you are even close to realistic.
People are fucking stupid.
(Source: paperseverywhere)